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		<title>Comment on Mapping renewable energy potential by John</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2009/04/28/mapping-renewable-energy-potential/comment-page-1/#comment-613</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might as well map magic pony potential (high wherever horses are found) as potential for cellulosic ethanol . . . 

The NRDC must not feel much like defending natural resources anymore if they support cellulosic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might as well map magic pony potential (high wherever horses are found) as potential for cellulosic ethanol . . . </p>
<p>The NRDC must not feel much like defending natural resources anymore if they support cellulosic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Economics needs a scientific revolution by Mike2008</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2008/11/01/economics-needs-a-scientific-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was working for years in the area of fundamental and applied physics and was intrigued by the article “Economics needs a scientific revolution” by physicist Jean-Philippe Bouchaud.

On the surface, the idea to create more realistic (like in physics!) and pragmatic economical models looks very appealing. However, in reality it will not work because of very simple reason – physics deals with still nature while economics deals with relationships between us, humans. Thus to create any working economical model, we have to understand ourselves on the first place. The history of medicine (psychiatry, for example) clearly shows that we really don’t know ourselves well enough to build any “realistic and pragmatic models”.

However, there is a solution to many if not all of our economical and other problems. I’d suggest reading what Michael Laitman has to say about it. Just check this link http://www.laitman.com/2008/11/economics-needs-a-scientific-revolution/
 to learn more about alternative solutions.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was working for years in the area of fundamental and applied physics and was intrigued by the article “Economics needs a scientific revolution” by physicist Jean-Philippe Bouchaud.</p>
<p>On the surface, the idea to create more realistic (like in physics!) and pragmatic economical models looks very appealing. However, in reality it will not work because of very simple reason – physics deals with still nature while economics deals with relationships between us, humans. Thus to create any working economical model, we have to understand ourselves on the first place. The history of medicine (psychiatry, for example) clearly shows that we really don’t know ourselves well enough to build any “realistic and pragmatic models”.</p>
<p>However, there is a solution to many if not all of our economical and other problems. I’d suggest reading what Michael Laitman has to say about it. Just check this link <a href="http://www.laitman.com/2008/11/economics-needs-a-scientific-revolution/" rel="nofollow">http://www.laitman.com/2008/11/economics-needs-a-scientific-revolution/</a><br />
 to learn more about alternative solutions.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will falling gas prices reverse plunge in road travel? by s_king</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2008/11/20/will-falling-gas-prices-reverse-plunge-in-road-travel/comment-page-1/#comment-558</link>
		<dc:creator>s_king</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s great. If enough businesses close or cut back, and enough people no longer have jobs to drive to, maybe we can meet our carbon reduction goals.

If that doesn&#039;t work we can always hope for some king of virulent epidemic to kill off a couple of billion people so the planet won&#039;t be so over-populated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s great. If enough businesses close or cut back, and enough people no longer have jobs to drive to, maybe we can meet our carbon reduction goals.</p>
<p>If that doesn&#8217;t work we can always hope for some king of virulent epidemic to kill off a couple of billion people so the planet won&#8217;t be so over-populated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will falling gas prices reverse plunge in road travel? by &#160; A Depression Would Reduce Carbon Emissions&#160;&#8212;&#160;Just Some Poor Schmuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; A Depression Would Reduce Carbon Emissions&#160;&#8212;&#160;Just Some Poor Schmuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] According the the environmentalists, it&#8217;s working. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Clear thinking trumps faith-based formulae by John Foster</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2008/08/20/clear-thinking-trumps-faith-based-formulas/comment-page-1/#comment-399</link>
		<dc:creator>John Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that part of the problems is that there are two debates about peak oil and two debates about global warming. In both cases, the press reports almost exclusively about the silly debate based largely on misinformation and illogic. In global warming the press covers the debate with people like Glenn Beck and Bob Barr at one extreme and Al Gore at the other. Is global warming real or as Barr contends just an invention of &quot;environmental wackos&quot; to tighten their hold on the government?  At the other end are people like Gore who say global warming is real and a threat we should do something about.  Most people tend to end up near the middle  with a McCain like position of global warming is a real threat, but first we need to deal with fuel shortages by offshore drilling.
    The debate the media is not covering is an arcane debate about how many parts per million we can tolerate, how many years before it is too late to save the planet, why models seem to give over-optimistic results, etc.  Al Gore is in this debate, but he is at a different end of the spectrum that in the debate the press covers.
    Part of the problem may well be that people would much rather believe that oil prices are high because of Wall Street speculators and the evil machinations of the Saudi sheiks than face the fact that we are running out of oil.  Another factor is that it is  easy to understand that we will have more oil if we drill more wells and much harder to deal with concepts that some oil is much more expensive to produce, not only in dollars, but in energy as well.  
   The debate in the media thus is between people who correctly say there is lots of oil out there and those who seem to deny that there is off shore oil.  There really is a big oil deposit off Brazil.
   The debate the media does not cover is the one that deals with the details, which point strongly in the direction of our having reached Peak Oil about three years ago and that we will pay a stiff price if we don&#039;t admit this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that part of the problems is that there are two debates about peak oil and two debates about global warming. In both cases, the press reports almost exclusively about the silly debate based largely on misinformation and illogic. In global warming the press covers the debate with people like Glenn Beck and Bob Barr at one extreme and Al Gore at the other. Is global warming real or as Barr contends just an invention of &#8220;environmental wackos&#8221; to tighten their hold on the government?  At the other end are people like Gore who say global warming is real and a threat we should do something about.  Most people tend to end up near the middle  with a McCain like position of global warming is a real threat, but first we need to deal with fuel shortages by offshore drilling.<br />
    The debate the media is not covering is an arcane debate about how many parts per million we can tolerate, how many years before it is too late to save the planet, why models seem to give over-optimistic results, etc.  Al Gore is in this debate, but he is at a different end of the spectrum that in the debate the press covers.<br />
    Part of the problem may well be that people would much rather believe that oil prices are high because of Wall Street speculators and the evil machinations of the Saudi sheiks than face the fact that we are running out of oil.  Another factor is that it is  easy to understand that we will have more oil if we drill more wells and much harder to deal with concepts that some oil is much more expensive to produce, not only in dollars, but in energy as well.<br />
   The debate in the media thus is between people who correctly say there is lots of oil out there and those who seem to deny that there is off shore oil.  There really is a big oil deposit off Brazil.<br />
   The debate the media does not cover is the one that deals with the details, which point strongly in the direction of our having reached Peak Oil about three years ago and that we will pay a stiff price if we don&#8217;t admit this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Update: Oregon (“Big Look”) Task Force on Land Use Planning by Jim Just</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2008/05/27/big-look-task-force/comment-page-1/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Just</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

The approach outlined by the Big Look is nothing more than business-as-usual with a tint of greenwashing. The free market fundamentalism and anti-regulatory bias shines brightly through. There&#039;s no sense of the urgency of the climate crisis we face, and the obliviousness to peak oil is nothing less than shocking. It&#039;s the religion of economic growth that got us into this predicament, and more of the same no matter how it&#039;s described (&quot;increased trade-sectors, green industries, and high-tech clusters&quot;)will only worsen the problem. What&#039;s needed is a fundamental re-thinking of our place within ecological systems - or as Nietzsche would say, a revaluation of values (Jason&#039;s teaching Nietzsche this year).
I&#039;m thinking about writing a more thorough response to the Big Look&#039;s conclusions and recommendations, but am wondering if it&#039;s worth the effort or if anybody&#039;s paying attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>The approach outlined by the Big Look is nothing more than business-as-usual with a tint of greenwashing. The free market fundamentalism and anti-regulatory bias shines brightly through. There&#8217;s no sense of the urgency of the climate crisis we face, and the obliviousness to peak oil is nothing less than shocking. It&#8217;s the religion of economic growth that got us into this predicament, and more of the same no matter how it&#8217;s described (&#8220;increased trade-sectors, green industries, and high-tech clusters&#8221;)will only worsen the problem. What&#8217;s needed is a fundamental re-thinking of our place within ecological systems &#8211; or as Nietzsche would say, a revaluation of values (Jason&#8217;s teaching Nietzsche this year).<br />
I&#8217;m thinking about writing a more thorough response to the Big Look&#8217;s conclusions and recommendations, but am wondering if it&#8217;s worth the effort or if anybody&#8217;s paying attention.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Peak oil watch: oil breaches $135, IEA to recast forecasts by Rob Zako</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2008/05/22/peak-oil-watch-oil-breaches-135-iea-to-recast-forecasts/comment-page-1/#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Zako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 23:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Read the &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121139527250011387.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;front-page story&lt;/a&gt; in today’s &lt;em&gt;Wall Street Journal&lt;/em&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;h3&gt;Energy Watchdog Warns Of Oil-Production Crunch&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;IEA Official Says Supplies May Plateau Below Expected Demand&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By NEIL KING JR. and PETER FRITSCH&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Wall Street Journal&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
May 22, 2008; Page A1&lt;/p&gt;
The world’s premier energy monitor is preparing a sharp downward revision of its oil-supply forecast, a shift that reflects deepening pessimism over whether oil companies can keep abreast of booming demand.

The Paris-based International Energy Agency is in the middle of its first attempt to comprehensively assess the condition of the world’s top 400 oil fields. Its findings won&#039;t be released until November, but the bottom line is already clear: Future crude supplies could be far tighter than previously thought. …

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121139527250011387.html" rel="nofollow">front-page story</a> in today’s <em>Wall Street Journal</em>:</p>
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<h3>Energy Watchdog Warns Of Oil-Production Crunch<br />
<em>IEA Official Says Supplies May Plateau Below Expected Demand</em></h3>
<p>By NEIL KING JR. and PETER FRITSCH<br />
<em>Wall Street Journal</em><br />
May 22, 2008; Page A1</p>
<p>The world’s premier energy monitor is preparing a sharp downward revision of its oil-supply forecast, a shift that reflects deepening pessimism over whether oil companies can keep abreast of booming demand.</p>
<p>The Paris-based International Energy Agency is in the middle of its first attempt to comprehensively assess the condition of the world’s top 400 oil fields. Its findings won&#8217;t be released until November, but the bottom line is already clear: Future crude supplies could be far tighter than previously thought. …</p>
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		<title>Comment on Transportation Framework Part 2: Re-engineering the Future by Rob Zako</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2008/04/24/transportation-framework-part-2-re-engineering-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Zako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jim,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You are, of course, correct. But Rome wasn’t built in a day. My purpose in posting this analysis was to highlight the magnitude of the changes in behavior we will have to see, even assuming fairly ambitious improvements in technology. I will have to wait until another day to take the next step, as you are already suggesting, of figuring out how to facilitate the needed changes in behavior. For now, the reality is that many in state government who are discussing what Oregon needs to do have not yet fully appreciated just how much behavior will need to change, hence our transportation and land use systems will need to change to facilitate that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>You are, of course, correct. But Rome wasn’t built in a day. My purpose in posting this analysis was to highlight the magnitude of the changes in behavior we will have to see, even assuming fairly ambitious improvements in technology. I will have to wait until another day to take the next step, as you are already suggesting, of figuring out how to facilitate the needed changes in behavior. For now, the reality is that many in state government who are discussing what Oregon needs to do have not yet fully appreciated just how much behavior will need to change, hence our transportation and land use systems will need to change to facilitate that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Transportation Framework Part 2: Re-engineering the Future by Jim Just</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2008/04/24/transportation-framework-part-2-re-engineering-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Just</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

This is a really thoughtful post, and the analytical framework you suggest is clear and useful.

One point that I would make is that our built environment poses serious constraint to changes in behavior. We have a tremendous investment in &quot;hard&quot; infrastructure with long life cycles - our houses, neighborhoods, transportation systems (meaning mostly roads and other auto-supportive infrastructure). Changing behavior wouldn&#039;t be so difficult were we not so locked in to our current land use patterns.

Ever-rising transportation fuel prices as we head down from peak oil should lend momentum to the effort to change behaviors. We need to be thinking about how to change our legal infrastructure - our systems of land use laws and building codes - so as to encourage and enable people to change behaviors as the incentive to do so (i.e., higher and higher fuel prices) compels then to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>This is a really thoughtful post, and the analytical framework you suggest is clear and useful.</p>
<p>One point that I would make is that our built environment poses serious constraint to changes in behavior. We have a tremendous investment in &#8220;hard&#8221; infrastructure with long life cycles &#8211; our houses, neighborhoods, transportation systems (meaning mostly roads and other auto-supportive infrastructure). Changing behavior wouldn&#8217;t be so difficult were we not so locked in to our current land use patterns.</p>
<p>Ever-rising transportation fuel prices as we head down from peak oil should lend momentum to the effort to change behaviors. We need to be thinking about how to change our legal infrastructure &#8211; our systems of land use laws and building codes &#8211; so as to encourage and enable people to change behaviors as the incentive to do so (i.e., higher and higher fuel prices) compels then to do so.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Goal One Coalition launches think tank by Jim Just</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2008/01/03/goal-one-coalition-to-establish-think-tank/comment-page-1/#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Just</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

What you suggest is exactly what we are proposing in Lane County.

We are working on updating our website to include a Goal One Institute page, on which we plan to provide links to the draft documents for projects we are working on. This will offer the opportunity for anyone who is interested to review and comment on drafts as they are being developed. It would also provide samples for people to apply and modify for other jurisdictions.

This is very much a work in progress. For now, I&#039;ll email you the draft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>What you suggest is exactly what we are proposing in Lane County.</p>
<p>We are working on updating our website to include a Goal One Institute page, on which we plan to provide links to the draft documents for projects we are working on. This will offer the opportunity for anyone who is interested to review and comment on drafts as they are being developed. It would also provide samples for people to apply and modify for other jurisdictions.</p>
<p>This is very much a work in progress. For now, I&#8217;ll email you the draft.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Goal One Coalition launches think tank by Chris Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2008/01/03/goal-one-coalition-to-establish-think-tank/comment-page-1/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 09:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along the lines of streamlining local land use hearings processes, I think that employment of part time hearings officers is an effective method of doing so.  Hearings officers tend to know the law (both procedural and substantive) better than elected or appointed commissioners, and they tend not to have the biases, or to be plagued with the ex parte contacts, that some prominent local officials cannot escape.  Issuing decisions is their business, so they don&#039;t have to wait for next month&#039;s meeting to adopt findings.  Why go to county commissioners at all?  Use a hearings officer for Type III quasi-judicial decisions and for appeals of Type II decisions, and the next step is LUBA.

Full disclosure:  I am a part-time hearings officer, on contract to a county and a couple cities.  I also represent clients before elected and appointed boards and agencies, and before hearings officers, in cities and counties throughout the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along the lines of streamlining local land use hearings processes, I think that employment of part time hearings officers is an effective method of doing so.  Hearings officers tend to know the law (both procedural and substantive) better than elected or appointed commissioners, and they tend not to have the biases, or to be plagued with the ex parte contacts, that some prominent local officials cannot escape.  Issuing decisions is their business, so they don&#8217;t have to wait for next month&#8217;s meeting to adopt findings.  Why go to county commissioners at all?  Use a hearings officer for Type III quasi-judicial decisions and for appeals of Type II decisions, and the next step is LUBA.</p>
<p>Full disclosure:  I am a part-time hearings officer, on contract to a county and a couple cities.  I also represent clients before elected and appointed boards and agencies, and before hearings officers, in cities and counties throughout the state.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We have met the enemy and he is us. by malcolm drake</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2007/12/27/we-have-met-the-enemy-and-he-is-us/comment-page-1/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>malcolm drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you want to respond, you might send the email to roguelinkdsl dot com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you want to respond, you might send the email to roguelinkdsl dot com</p>
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		<title>Comment on We have met the enemy and he is us. by malcolm drake</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2007/12/27/we-have-met-the-enemy-and-he-is-us/comment-page-1/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>malcolm drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to mention PRT, again. Wouldn&#039;t a well designed Personal Rapid Transit system solve a lot of traffic and parking problems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to mention PRT, again. Wouldn&#8217;t a well designed Personal Rapid Transit system solve a lot of traffic and parking problems?</p>
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		<title>Comment on We have met the enemy and he is us. by malcolm drake</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2007/12/27/we-have-met-the-enemy-and-he-is-us/comment-page-1/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>malcolm drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very thought-provoking, Jim (Jim?). I have always loved the idea  of living in a place like you describe; I even have greatly enjoyed visiting such metropolitan settings as La Paz, Mexico (Baja), and Lima,  Peru.

I wonder how the idea translates to rural development; do you favor making smaller lot sizes and mixed uses available there, as well?

I&#039;m all for some mixed uses out in my neighborhood. Not so sure about smaller lots, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very thought-provoking, Jim (Jim?). I have always loved the idea  of living in a place like you describe; I even have greatly enjoyed visiting such metropolitan settings as La Paz, Mexico (Baja), and Lima,  Peru.</p>
<p>I wonder how the idea translates to rural development; do you favor making smaller lot sizes and mixed uses available there, as well?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for some mixed uses out in my neighborhood. Not so sure about smaller lots, though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ocean&#8217;s growing acidity &#8220;alarming&#8221; by Dr. Francis T. Manns. P.Geo. (Ontario)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Francis T. Manns. P.Geo. (Ontario)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ocean is not &#039;acidic&#039;  It may be slightly less basic in certain measurements.  The measurements are by no means global.

Spatial measurements are regionalized variables only meaningful in the local context at the time they are taken.   Relax the planet is fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ocean is not &#8216;acidic&#8217;  It may be slightly less basic in certain measurements.  The measurements are by no means global.</p>
<p>Spatial measurements are regionalized variables only meaningful in the local context at the time they are taken.   Relax the planet is fine.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The role of land use planning in addressing our energy and climate crises by rand dawson</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2007/11/15/the-role-of-land-use-planning-in-addressing-our-energy-and-climate-crises/comment-page-1/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>rand dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest it will be simply impossible for small communities/local govts. to adopt regulatory or code structures that materially assist as you describe.

Dunes City on the Coast is an example.  While the community adopted the first non-key-facility moratorium, the first septic inspection ord., and the first low-phosphorus ord., it has experienced massive resistance in adopting simple concepts like updated erosion-control ords, or new storm-water ords.

These are relatively simple matters. So imagine the large &quot;push-back&quot; concerning more extensive regulatory measures.  (Need I reference Measure 37 and the decision (failure?) of the Legislature to attempt an actual repeal? I imagine this was, in part, based on the &quot;anti-regulatory&quot; rural vote/mentality.)

And &quot;local&quot; media will be sorely tested to clearly explain issues presented at a local level.

So, my personal impression is that state-wide regulatory measures are more viable, with local groups working hard to provide &quot;cover&quot; for  innovate state legislative forces willing to lead.


rand dawson
Siltcoos Lake</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest it will be simply impossible for small communities/local govts. to adopt regulatory or code structures that materially assist as you describe.</p>
<p>Dunes City on the Coast is an example.  While the community adopted the first non-key-facility moratorium, the first septic inspection ord., and the first low-phosphorus ord., it has experienced massive resistance in adopting simple concepts like updated erosion-control ords, or new storm-water ords.</p>
<p>These are relatively simple matters. So imagine the large &#8220;push-back&#8221; concerning more extensive regulatory measures.  (Need I reference Measure 37 and the decision (failure?) of the Legislature to attempt an actual repeal? I imagine this was, in part, based on the &#8220;anti-regulatory&#8221; rural vote/mentality.)</p>
<p>And &#8220;local&#8221; media will be sorely tested to clearly explain issues presented at a local level.</p>
<p>So, my personal impression is that state-wide regulatory measures are more viable, with local groups working hard to provide &#8220;cover&#8221; for  innovate state legislative forces willing to lead.</p>
<p>rand dawson<br />
Siltcoos Lake</p>
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		<title>Comment on The role of land use planning in addressing our energy and climate crises by malcolm drake</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2007/11/15/the-role-of-land-use-planning-in-addressing-our-energy-and-climate-crises/comment-page-1/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>malcolm drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing you did NOT address is PRT: Personal Rapid Transportation.

This is being treated as &quot;pie in the sky&quot; by most media, and most transportation &quot;experts&quot;. 

Darn shame, because it holds a lot of promise, as it could help ameliorate the major fight we&#039;re going to have trying to stop sprawl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing you did NOT address is PRT: Personal Rapid Transportation.</p>
<p>This is being treated as &#8220;pie in the sky&#8221; by most media, and most transportation &#8220;experts&#8221;. </p>
<p>Darn shame, because it holds a lot of promise, as it could help ameliorate the major fight we&#8217;re going to have trying to stop sprawl.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The role of land use planning in addressing our energy and climate crises by malcolm drake</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2007/11/15/the-role-of-land-use-planning-in-addressing-our-energy-and-climate-crises/comment-page-1/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>malcolm drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve covered the issues well, here. As a planning commissioner, though, I will tell you that we need some leadership AT THE STATE LEVEL, or we will continue with same ol&#039; same ol&#039;.

The state&#039;s energy planning, as shown in this document, is a joke, but it&#039;s not very funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve covered the issues well, here. As a planning commissioner, though, I will tell you that we need some leadership AT THE STATE LEVEL, or we will continue with same ol&#8217; same ol&#8217;.</p>
<p>The state&#8217;s energy planning, as shown in this document, is a joke, but it&#8217;s not very funny.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Derailing the South Coast economy by rand dawson</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2007/10/08/1377/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>rand dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice post...but wdnt hurt to footnote fact the parent company has squillions...raised 3 billion in financing this year, 80 million in stock dividends and had over (Im trying to recall) 124$million in income (net) this quarter --otherwise the impression floats that maybe...just maybe...the state or public shd pay for this....in fact...your final closing implies that....
 
this isnt an issue about rational allocation of public transportation dollars...its a squeeze play...how the public transportation dollar is hijacked to serve mega-corp interests...
 
or the corollary...how the planning structure is dysfuctional...to the extent there is a structure...(the state has  given a grant to these people....my gawd)
 
rr--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice post&#8230;but wdnt hurt to footnote fact the parent company has squillions&#8230;raised 3 billion in financing this year, 80 million in stock dividends and had over (Im trying to recall) 124$million in income (net) this quarter &#8211;otherwise the impression floats that maybe&#8230;just maybe&#8230;the state or public shd pay for this&#8230;.in fact&#8230;your final closing implies that&#8230;.</p>
<p>this isnt an issue about rational allocation of public transportation dollars&#8230;its a squeeze play&#8230;how the public transportation dollar is hijacked to serve mega-corp interests&#8230;</p>
<p>or the corollary&#8230;how the planning structure is dysfuctional&#8230;to the extent there is a structure&#8230;(the state has  given a grant to these people&#8230;.my gawd)</p>
<p>rr&#8211;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Shuffleboard, anyone? by Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.goal1.org/archives/2007/08/23/shuffleboard-anyone/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Measures 37 and 49, laws, property rights, etc.

	In any discussion of land use laws it can be helpful to examine the origin of the concept of property rights.
	As I indicated in an earlier comment on banking and the Federal Reserve System, the concept of property rights goes back in time to pre-history, a time when all lands were open and free, a time when people could hunt or graze their animals anywhere. 
	Then other humans, probably riding horses and carrying weapons, claimed the once-open lands as their territory, telling the herders that the land where they were grazing their animals belonged to them and that from that time on, they&#039;d have to pay rent to the armed rider to use the land under his &quot;protection.&quot;.
	Those early land grabbers gradually evolved into the rulers of city-states and then nation-states, what we now call kings and emperors. But the concept was the same as in earlier times. Their self-assumed rights to land and land ownership were based on deeds of war, hence, &quot;deed&quot; is still the term used to describe a land ownership document. And to give their land claims the aura of divine authority, warlord-kings&#039; deeds of war were often blessed by a priest.
	But is this ancient, protection-racket concept of property rights really valid? Consider the huge land grab on this continent once known as the Louisiana Territory. 
	When the Louisiana Territory was claimed for France in 1682, explorer Lord Robert LaSalle merely stood by a cross erected at the mouth of the Mississippi River. As puzzled Native Americans looked on, LaSalle claimed 830,000 square miles in the name of &quot;the most high, mighty, invincible and victorious Prince, Louis the Great, by Grace of God king of France and Navarre, 14th of that name.&quot; The French king did not pay natives, trappers or anyone else a cent for the vast lands, yet in 1803 the U.S. had to pay Napoleon $15 million to gain &quot;title&quot; to the Territory.
	Why? Did the Louisiana Territory really belong to the French? As Chief Seattle said, &quot;The President in Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land. But how can you buy or sell the sky, the land?&quot;
	Even in 21st Century America, living in modest subdivision home or grandiose estate, the concept of land ownership often seems alien. First of all, families today are extremely mobile and change homes often. I&#039;m probably atypical, yet I&#039;ve &quot;owned&quot; four different homes over 40 years. But did I really own those homes and the land on which they stood?
	For most of the 40 years in those four homes there was a mortgage on the properties. Didn&#039;t my monthly payments to a bank or finance company make me a renter -- not an owner -- of those properties?
	Then there&#039;s the issue of eminent domain, a concept based on the old idea that property rights are derived from the warlord-king, or in today&#039;s world, the government. By allowing the local, state or federal government to condemn someone&#039;s property to build a new highway, library or maybe even a new shopping center, what does eminent domain say about the rigidity of property rights?
	And finally, there&#039;s war. Again, consider the property rights of Native Americans. They were not only erased by claims from far-away monarchs. They were systematically destroyed by deeds of war carried out by the military of the fledgling United States. Also, what happened to the property rights of Jews in Europe during World War II, as well as Japanese-Americans here in the US?
	 My point here is that no one&#039;s individual property rights are worth anything without the protection of a government&#039;s police and armed forces. And just as a government&#039;s armies can defend one party&#039;s property rights, they can dissolve someone else&#039;s. A good example is the invasion of Iraq, a plan largely designed to shift ownership of Iraqi oil from the Iraqis to multinational oil companies.
	Yet individuals and corporations act as if their rights of &quot;private property&quot; are absolute, that the government, whether local, state or national, is there only to provide services and to protect that property but not restrict its use in any way. That&#039;s an underlying issue in the Measure 37/Measure 49 debate, as well as almost all other land-use controversies.
	But given that the entire concept of property rights is based on the historic-but-invalid concept of divine right, perhaps we should be questioning the concept of land ownership itself. For example, how can you own something that is there long after (perhaps a billion years after) you&#039;re dead -- &quot;How can you buy or sell the sky, the land?&quot;
	Buckminster Fuller used geometry to debunk the property rights concept, primarily because it is based on invalid flat-earth thinking.  We now know, for example, that a two-dimensional plane exists only in concept, not in reality. So, when you say that you own a plot of land, where does that ownership end -- at the center of the earth? Does it also extend out into space to infinity? If so, should air traffic and satellites pay a fee each time they enter your property? It sounds ridiculous. And it is.
	Still, the concept of private property rights is so thoroughly entrenched in our legal and political system, it isn&#039;t likely to disappear any time soon. But a deep understanding and recognition that private property can&#039;t possibly exist without public protection, transportation and other services can be very effective in all property rights arguments.
	Zoning attorneys and property owners are quick to make the &quot;takings&quot; argument whenever regulations affect their property. But they seldom acknowledge the &quot;givings&quot; of government that ultimately make their property rights possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Measures 37 and 49, laws, property rights, etc.</p>
<p>	In any discussion of land use laws it can be helpful to examine the origin of the concept of property rights.<br />
	As I indicated in an earlier comment on banking and the Federal Reserve System, the concept of property rights goes back in time to pre-history, a time when all lands were open and free, a time when people could hunt or graze their animals anywhere.<br />
	Then other humans, probably riding horses and carrying weapons, claimed the once-open lands as their territory, telling the herders that the land where they were grazing their animals belonged to them and that from that time on, they&#8217;d have to pay rent to the armed rider to use the land under his &#8220;protection.&#8221;.<br />
	Those early land grabbers gradually evolved into the rulers of city-states and then nation-states, what we now call kings and emperors. But the concept was the same as in earlier times. Their self-assumed rights to land and land ownership were based on deeds of war, hence, &#8220;deed&#8221; is still the term used to describe a land ownership document. And to give their land claims the aura of divine authority, warlord-kings&#8217; deeds of war were often blessed by a priest.<br />
	But is this ancient, protection-racket concept of property rights really valid? Consider the huge land grab on this continent once known as the Louisiana Territory.<br />
	When the Louisiana Territory was claimed for France in 1682, explorer Lord Robert LaSalle merely stood by a cross erected at the mouth of the Mississippi River. As puzzled Native Americans looked on, LaSalle claimed 830,000 square miles in the name of &#8220;the most high, mighty, invincible and victorious Prince, Louis the Great, by Grace of God king of France and Navarre, 14th of that name.&#8221; The French king did not pay natives, trappers or anyone else a cent for the vast lands, yet in 1803 the U.S. had to pay Napoleon $15 million to gain &#8220;title&#8221; to the Territory.<br />
	Why? Did the Louisiana Territory really belong to the French? As Chief Seattle said, &#8220;The President in Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land. But how can you buy or sell the sky, the land?&#8221;<br />
	Even in 21st Century America, living in modest subdivision home or grandiose estate, the concept of land ownership often seems alien. First of all, families today are extremely mobile and change homes often. I&#8217;m probably atypical, yet I&#8217;ve &#8220;owned&#8221; four different homes over 40 years. But did I really own those homes and the land on which they stood?<br />
	For most of the 40 years in those four homes there was a mortgage on the properties. Didn&#8217;t my monthly payments to a bank or finance company make me a renter &#8212; not an owner &#8212; of those properties?<br />
	Then there&#8217;s the issue of eminent domain, a concept based on the old idea that property rights are derived from the warlord-king, or in today&#8217;s world, the government. By allowing the local, state or federal government to condemn someone&#8217;s property to build a new highway, library or maybe even a new shopping center, what does eminent domain say about the rigidity of property rights?<br />
	And finally, there&#8217;s war. Again, consider the property rights of Native Americans. They were not only erased by claims from far-away monarchs. They were systematically destroyed by deeds of war carried out by the military of the fledgling United States. Also, what happened to the property rights of Jews in Europe during World War II, as well as Japanese-Americans here in the US?<br />
	 My point here is that no one&#8217;s individual property rights are worth anything without the protection of a government&#8217;s police and armed forces. And just as a government&#8217;s armies can defend one party&#8217;s property rights, they can dissolve someone else&#8217;s. A good example is the invasion of Iraq, a plan largely designed to shift ownership of Iraqi oil from the Iraqis to multinational oil companies.<br />
	Yet individuals and corporations act as if their rights of &#8220;private property&#8221; are absolute, that the government, whether local, state or national, is there only to provide services and to protect that property but not restrict its use in any way. That&#8217;s an underlying issue in the Measure 37/Measure 49 debate, as well as almost all other land-use controversies.<br />
	But given that the entire concept of property rights is based on the historic-but-invalid concept of divine right, perhaps we should be questioning the concept of land ownership itself. For example, how can you own something that is there long after (perhaps a billion years after) you&#8217;re dead &#8212; &#8220;How can you buy or sell the sky, the land?&#8221;<br />
	Buckminster Fuller used geometry to debunk the property rights concept, primarily because it is based on invalid flat-earth thinking.  We now know, for example, that a two-dimensional plane exists only in concept, not in reality. So, when you say that you own a plot of land, where does that ownership end &#8212; at the center of the earth? Does it also extend out into space to infinity? If so, should air traffic and satellites pay a fee each time they enter your property? It sounds ridiculous. And it is.<br />
	Still, the concept of private property rights is so thoroughly entrenched in our legal and political system, it isn&#8217;t likely to disappear any time soon. But a deep understanding and recognition that private property can&#8217;t possibly exist without public protection, transportation and other services can be very effective in all property rights arguments.<br />
	Zoning attorneys and property owners are quick to make the &#8220;takings&#8221; argument whenever regulations affect their property. But they seldom acknowledge the &#8220;givings&#8221; of government that ultimately make their property rights possible.</p>
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